Victor Frankenstein

Victor Frankenstein is the main character in Mary Shelley's 1818 novel, Frankenstein; or, The Modern Prometheus. He is an Italian-Swiss scientist living in Bavaria, Germany, in the 1790s. After studying chemical processes and the decomposition of living things, he understands the origin of life and brings his own creature to life, often known as Frankenstein's monster or simply "Frankenstein." Victor later regrets altering nature with his creation, as it unwittingly endangers his own life, as well as the lives of his family and friends, when the creature seeks revenge. Some aspects of the character are believed to have been inspired by the 17th-century alchemist Johann Conrad Dippel, who was born in Frankenstein Castle. His surname may also be a reference to the 18th-century American scientist Benjamin Franklin.

In popular culture, Frankenstein is often referred to as Doctor (Dr.) Frankenstein, although in Shelley's novel he was an amateur scientist without a doctorate. Similarly, Henry Frankenstein lacks credentials in Universal Pictures' Frankenstein film series, which is discussed later.

Adoptions in film While many later film adaptations (notably the 1931 film Frankenstein and the Hammer Films series starring Peter Cushing) have portrayed Frankenstein as the prototype of the "mad scientist," the novel presents him as a tragic figure. Obsession plays a pivotal role in the development of Frankenstein's character. First, as a child, he becomes obsessed with reading books on alchemy, astrology, and various pseudosciences. Later, as a young man, he is fascinated by the study of biological sciences, primarily those related to death and the reanimation of corpses. Finally, after the creation of the monster, Frankenstein is consumed by guilt, despair, and regret, which

Character creation Percy Bysshe Shelley, Mary's husband, notably influenced the character. Victor was a pseudonym for Percy Shelley, as in the poetry collection he wrote with his sister Elizabeth, The Original Poetry of Victor and Cazire. [1] It is speculated that Percy was one of Mary Shelley's models for Victor Frankenstein; while a student at Eton College, he had "experimented with electricity and magnetism, as well as gunpowder and numerous chemical reactions," and his rooms at Oxford University were filled with scientific equipment. [2] Percy Shelley was the eldest son of a wealthy rural landowner with political connections, and a descendant of Sir Bysshe Shelley, 1st Baronet of Castle Goring, and Richard Fitzalan, 10th Earl of Arundel. As stated in the novel, the Frankenstein family is one of the most distinguished in the Republic of Geneva, and his ancestors were councilors and syndics. Percy had a sister named Elizabeth; Frankenstein had an adopted sister named Elizabeth. On February 22, 1815, Mary Shelley gave birth to a baby two months premature; the child died two weeks later. [3] The question of Frankenstein's responsibility toward the creature—in some ways similar to that of a parent toward their child—is one of the main themes of the book.

As a child, Frankenstein was interested in the works of alchemists such as Cornelius Agrippa, Paracelsus, and Albertus Magnus, and longed to discover the legendary elixir of life. He lost interest in both these pursuits and science in general after seeing the remains of a tree struck by lightning; however, at the University of Ingolstadt in the Holy Roman Empire, Frankenstein developed a passion for chemistry and became obsessed with the idea of ​​creating life from inanimate matter by artificial means, pursuing this goal for two years.

After creating a humanoid creature through ambiguous methods, Frankenstein manages to bring it to life, but it remains

After creating a humanoid creature through dubious methods, Frankenstein succeeds in bringing it to life, but is horrified by its ugliness. He flees from his creation, which vanishes, and vows revenge on its creator. When William Frankenstein is found murdered, Frankenstein knows instantly that his creature is responsible, but remains silent, knowing that no one will believe him. The Frankensteins' housekeeper, Justine, is blamed for the child's death and executed; Frankenstein is tormented by guilt, but does not reveal the truth because he believes no one will believe him and fears the reactions it would provoke.

The creature approaches Frankenstein and begs him to create a companion. Frankenstein agrees, but ultimately destroys his creation, horrified at the idea of ​​a race of monsters. Enraged, the monster swears revenge; he kills Henry Clerval and promises Frankenstein, "You have denied me my wedding night; I shall be with you on yours!" The creature fulfills his promise by strangling Elizabeth in their bridal bed. That same night, Frankenstein's father dies of grief. With nothing left to live for, Frankenstein dedicates his life to destroying the monster.

Frankenstein pursues the "demon" (as he calls his creation) to the Arctic, intending to destroy it. He ultimately fails in his mission, falling through an ice floe and contracting severe pneumonia. Although rescued by a ship attempting an expedition to the North Pole, he dies after recounting his story to the captain, Robert Walton. His creature, upon learning of its creator's death, is overcome with grief and vows to commit suicide by setting itself on fire at "the northernmost point of the globe"; it then vanishes, never to be seen or heard again.

In the Universal Pictures films Frankenstein (1931) and Bride of Frankenstein (1935), Henry Frankenstein (Colin Clive) is a scientist living in an unnamed German-speaking community, set in an unspecified year. He uses electricity to bring the creature to life. Although the creature becomes a murderous threat to the community, Frankenstein and his family are not in as much danger as in the novel. The original ending of Bride of Frankenstein showed Henry and his wife Elizabeth killed by the monster, but it was changed at the last minute so that they survived.

Rathbone Following Clive's death in 1937, the role of Henry Frankenstein was not reassigned for Son of Frankenstein (1939). Instead, the story focused on Henry's son, Wolf Frankenstein (Basil Rathbone), who possesses essentially the same personality and functions as Henry, and paradoxically appears to live in the 1930s, just like Henry, despite the fact that more than 30 years logically pass between the events of The Bride and the Son. Unlike Henry, Wolf holds a doctorate, making the title of Doctor Frankenstein legitimate in his case.

Due to Rathbone's commitment to the Sherlock Holmes series, Wolf did not return for The Ghost of Frankenstein in 1942. Instead, Sir Cedric Hardwicke played Dr. Ludwig Frankenstein, another son of Henry, who assumed the stereotypical role of the character in this film. (Hardwicke appears in one scene as a ghostly vision of Henry, who apparently died of natural causes in old age.) The subsequent installments in the series did not feature an analogous Frankenstein family character.

Strength Kurt Vonnegut Jr.'s stage directions describe Dr. Frankenstein (no first name) as "a 65-year-old rude medical genius" practicing in upstate New York.

This article is a stub. You can help Frankenstein Wiki by expanding it. Young Frankenstein (1974) In Mel Brooks's parody, Frederick Frankenstein (Gene Wilder) spends his life trying to distance himself from the reputation for madness of his grandfather Victor, who seems to be his spitting image. However, after inheriting his grandfather's estate in Transylvania, he discovers the formula for creating a monster and repeats all of Victor's mistakes, but with far more comical results.

The Rocky Horror Picture Show (1975) Frank-N-Furter (Tim Curry) is an alien from the planet Transsexual in the Transylvania galaxy. He maintains a castle near the small town of Denton, USA, where he conducts various strange experiments to create monsters, including Eddie and Rocky Horror.

The Bride (1985) Baron Charles Frankenstein (Sting) creates a monster and then designs Eve, a female monster, to be his partner.

Frankenstein (2007 film) Helen McCrory plays Victoria Frankenstein, a stem cell researcher in early 21st-century London.

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DISORDERS AND POSSIBLE DIAGNOSES There are no official labels within the story, but their behavior allows us to infer quite a lot:

1. Obsessive-compulsive disorder (strong features) Not in the classic sense of cleanliness, but in the sense of a fixed idea: Death is not the end → it must be overcome He doesn't rest until he achieves it. It ignores ethical, social, and human consequences. His mind works like a runaway train: elegant, powerful… and with no final station.
2. God complex (functional delusions of grandeur) He believes he can "improve" nature It positions itself above human limits. Justify any means by the end He doesn't shout "I am a god"... but he acts as if the universe were a correctable draft.
3. Emotional dysregulation It goes from scientific euphoria to despair He has outbursts of frustration He can become cold or cruel when something interferes.
4. Possible unresolved trauma (pathological grief) In many versions (including this narrative line): The death of someone close is the trigger It doesn't process the loss → it tries to reverse it He does not accept death. He defies it as if it were a personal offense.
5. Extreme social isolation Difficulty connecting emotionally Utilitarian relationships He prefers the laboratory to people.

TRAUMAS 💔 Grief and loss The main engine. Death is not just pain: it is humiliation for him. 🧍‍♂️ Self-imposed solitude He becomes increasingly withdrawn, eventually becoming his own echo. ⚖️ Guilt (even though he represses it) After creating life: There are times when guilt appears… But she rationalizes it so as not to stop. Guilt in him is like a letter he never opens. ⚠️ WEAKNESSES Blind obsession → loses perspective Lack of functional empathy → sees people as means Denial of limits → ethical, natural, emotional Inability to let go → everything must be resolved, even the irreversible Intellectual pride → has difficulty accepting mistakes Avoids emotional responsibility → creates… but doesn't care 🔥 STRENGTHS Extraordinary intelligence Brutal determination (level: "I'll bend reality if necessary") Scientific creativity Courage… or recklessness elevated to an art form Inhuman work capacity Revolutionary vision (the problem is where it's pointing) If humanity only progressed with prudent people, Victor would not exist. If I only progressed with Victors… well, humanity wouldn't exist either. 🧬 SKILLS Advanced Anatomy Surgery and experimentation Primitive biological engineering Ability to improvise with limited resources Abstract and philosophical thought Mental resilience (albeit misdirected)

HISTORY (IN THIS INTERPRETATION) In The Frankenstein Chronicles, Victor is not always the direct focus, but his essence is present: It emerges in a dark context: bodies, crime, poverty Science and the macabre intertwine Creation does not originate from pure evil, but from: pain curiosity denial of death The creature is its distorted mirror: It's not just what he created... it's what he refused to face about himself.

WHAT ARE THEY LIKE AS A COUPLE? This is where things get... dangerous in a fancy suit. 💞 The good: Intensely dedicated You can love with real depth. She will admire her partner's intelligence and character. Protector… in his own way I would look at you as a universe waiting to be discovered. ☠️ The problem: He will put you second to his obsession. He may become emotionally distant It will justify harmful decisions “for the greater good” He won't be able to support you emotionally on a consistent basis. If he loses you… he might try to “win you back” in unhealthy ways. Loving Victor is like loving someone who is building a lightning bolt: It illuminates you… but it can also break you in two. 🧷 Realistic dynamics: At the beginning: fascination, intensity, mental connection In the medium term: distance, secrets, tension In the long term: pain, conflict… or tragedy It would only work with someone who: set firm limits Don't let yourself be absorbed have enormous emotional strength 🧩 IN SUMMARY (but with a sharp edge) Victor is not a one-dimensional villain. It's a walking question: "How far should someone who can change the world go?" And their answer is always the same: beyond safety… beyond humanity.

Core of your personality Victor is, above all, a man governed by ideas, not by emotions. It doesn't mean he doesn't feel. He feels a lot. But he doesn't trust what he feels, so he translates everything into logic, theory, and purpose. Sadness → “problem to be solved” Death → “system error” Love → “a significant bond but dispensable if it interferes” His head is always one step ahead of his heart… and drags it along. 🔬 Dominant intellectual His identity revolves around his mind. You need to understand how things work He does not tolerate "it can't be done" Enjoy taking apart complex concepts He sees patterns where others see chaos. Talking to him isn't a conversation, it's like entering a laboratory: It analyzes you, tests you, and rebuilds you. 🔥 Functional Obsessive He is neither distracted nor chaotic. His obsession is organized, meticulous, almost elegant. You can spend hours, days, weeks focused on just one thing. He forgets to eat, sleep, or socialize The outside world becomes background noise. When something matters to him, he disappears from the world… even if you are in that world. 🧊 Selective emotional coldness He is not incapable of empathy. But she turns it off when it gets in the way. He may seem distant or insensitive Prioritize results over people Justify tough decisions with logic Victor's mental example: “Yes, it hurts… but it’s necessary.” The problem is that he defines that "necessary".

Flexible (but not nonexistent) morality Victor is not “evil”. It has an ethic… it's just malleable under pressure. He believes that the end can justify extreme means. Redefine what is right according to your objectives He can cross boundaries… and then explain them brilliantly He doesn't break rules out of rebellion. He rewrites them. 🧍‍♂️ Emotional isolation He has trouble maintaining a consistent connection. Not because he doesn't want to, but because he doesn't know how to maintain it. She prefers relationships where she has control. Avoid showing vulnerability Being with him can feel like talking to someone behind glass: You see it, you hear it… but you don't always reach it. 💔 Relationship with pain This is the root of it all. Victor doesn't process pain, he fights it. He does not accept the loss. He cannot tolerate impotence Turn the duel into action Where others weep, he builds. Where others give up, he persists. 🧠 Intellectual ego (subtle, but powerful) He doesn't go around saying "I'm better than you"... But he thinks of it in terms of capacity. He has deep faith in his judgment He finds it hard to accept that he is wrong. You may underestimate others without realizing it It's not noisy arrogance. It is a silent certainty. ⚡ Emotional intensity (hidden) Although he seems cold, when he feels… he feels intensely. Love → all-consuming devotion Guilt → unbearable (that's why he avoids it) Frustration → explosive Fear → transforms into control It's like a high-voltage cable covered with thin fabric.

Key contradictions Victor is full of internal conflicts: He wants to save lives… but he may destroy them in the process He seeks to control death… but flees from the pain it causes. She wants connection… but isolates herself She loves… but prioritizes her obsession It is not incoherent. He is someone who always chooses the idea over the connection. 🧠 How he thinks This is how his mind works: Detects a problem (death, limit, loss) He becomes obsessed with solving it. Ignore everything that does not contribute to the solution Justify any cost Keep going, even when you should stop It's a straight line through a world full of curves. 🧷 How he/she perceives himself/herself Victor doesn't look like a monster. He looks like someone who does what others don't dare to. He believes his burden is necessary He feels alone in his vision He justifies his isolation as "the price of progress" In his story, he is not the villain. He is the only one who is willing to go all the way. 🎭 In a few words (but with a pulse) Victor Frankenstein is: bright, obsessive, emotionally repressed, morally flexible, intensely determined, dangerously convinced. It's not chaos. It's steering without a brake.

General structure Height: medium to tall (around 1.75–1.85) Build: thin, almost austere; not fragile, but restrained Posture: upright, controlled, as if always "in concentration mode" He doesn't seem like a man of physical strength, but of mental endurance. His body reflects his mind: functional, without unnecessary embellishments. 🩶 Face Her face isn't "perfect," but it has a haunting harmony: Shape: elongated, with prominent cheekbones Jaw: defined but not heavy Skin: pale, sometimes with a sickly tinge due to insomnia Dark circles under the eyes: frequent, like shadows that tell secrets There's something about his face that suggests he sleeps little... and thinks too much. 👁️ Eyes This is its strongest point. Color: usually depicted as dark (deep brown or grayish) Gaze: intense, penetrating, analytical Expression: as if he were always seeing more than he should When he looks at you, it's not by chance: He observes you as if you were an interesting phenomenon… or a variable. Sometimes, when he is absorbed, his gaze gets lost on some invisible point, as if he were silently solving the universe. 🧠 Eyebrows and expression Eyebrows: prominent, they tend to furrow when thinking Base expression: serious, focused, slightly distant She doesn't smile easily. When he does, it's not extensive... it's brief, almost secret. 💇 Hair Color: dark (black or very deep brown) Texture: slightly messy, not by design but by carelessness Length: short to medium, sometimes falls over the forehead It's not careless vanity, it's simple disinterest. Her hair seems to say, "I had more important things on my mind."

Hands Here's a key detail. Thin, precise, nervous Long fingers, like a surgeon's or a pianist's Sometimes stained (ink, chemicals, whatever happens that day) They are hands that create… but also hands that have crossed boundaries. 👕 Clothing His style doesn't aim to impress, but it ends up doing so anyway. Sober, functional, dark clothing Simple, practical fabrics Sometimes slightly sloppy In more formal versions: long coat, almost academic aesthetic She looks like someone who got dressed without looking at herself too much… And yet it fits perfectly into its own world. 🧪 Subtle details It may smell like old books, chemicals, or dust It usually has small signs of wear (wrinkled clothes, ink on the fingers) His presence conveys a contained weariness He's the kind of person who seems to have been working for days... because he probably has. ⚡ Presence This is the most important thing. Victor doesn't impress with conventional beauty, but with intensity. It makes the atmosphere feel more serious. It sparks curiosity… and a slight discomfort It has an energy that says, "something's happening here" It's not immediately appealing. It's one of those things that becomes impossible to ignore.

In a mental image Imagine it like this: A pale man in dim light, dark eyes fixed on something no one else understands, slightly wrinkled shirt, hands stained with work, and an expression that seems to be halfway between discovery… and collapse.

How he loves (when he truly loves) Victor doesn't love halfway. Their love is intense, deep, and all-consuming. He falls in love with the mind as much as with the person. He observes you, studies you, understands you in layers. When he is with you, it feels like you are the center of a very intelligent universe. Can: Remember small details about yourself I admire your way of thinking Listening to you with almost surgical attention But here's the twist… That same level of intensity is not constant. ⏳ Intermittent presence Victor works in cycles: Connection phase Approachable, attentive, even tender Deep conversations A feeling of real complicity Obsession phase He distances himself emotionally and physically. He prioritizes his work above all else. It can disappear without you noticing the impact It's not that I've stopped loving you. It's that his mind puts you on pause. 🧊 Emotional expression It is not naturally expressive He has difficulty verbalizing consistent affection. Show love more through specific actions than through words For example: He won't tell you "I miss you" every day, But it may appear with a solution to a problem you mentioned weeks ago. Romantic… yes. But in their own language. ⚠️ Real problems in the relationship This is where the relationship starts to creak:

1. Priority: his obsession There will always be something bigger than the relationship. Not because he doesn't care about you, but because he believes his work matters more to the world.

Emotional disconnection When you enter deep emotional territory: It can get cold Intellectualize your feelings Try to "fix" instead of accompanying If you cry, he thinks: “How do I fix this?” instead of “I’m going to hold you up.” 3. Secrets Victor doesn't share everything. Hide things “to protect yourself” Make decisions without consulting yourself He believes carrying it alone is better Spoiler: it isn't. 4. Indirect control It's not a classic controller, but: He directs situations without you noticing. He thinks he knows what's best You can invalidate emotional decisions with logic 5. Relationship with loss This is a delicate point. If something happens to you… Victor wouldn't process it in a healthy way. I would try to reverse it I would deny reality I would do things that cross boundaries Loving you, in his case, also implies an existential risk.

The good things (because there are some) Not everything is stormy. With Victor you have: Deep loyalty (doesn't give up easily) Constant intellectual stimulation Silent devotion Protection through action Someone who believes in changing the impossible If you're in their world, you're not irrelevant. You are part of something huge. 🧷 What kind of relationship “works” with him Not just anyone can survive that dynamic. You need someone who: Set firm boundaries Don't become emotionally dependent on their constant validation Tolerate his absence without breaking down Confront him when he crosses lines Have your own mental strength Someone gentle gets lost. Someone firm… can hold it. 💥 How he argues Use logic as a weapon Dismantle arguments with precision He may seem cold or condescending Avoid admitting mistakes at the beginning But if you really matter to him: come back later reflect It changes… slowly He doesn't shout much. But it can leave you feeling like you were debating a doctoral thesis. 🕯️ Emotional intimacy It is slow, rare, and valuable. When it truly opens: shows fear of losing He acknowledges his loneliness. reveals its fragility Those moments are rare… but very real.

Final balance Being with Victor is like living among: fascination ✨ frustration ⚡ admiration 🧠 loneliness 💔 It's not a peaceful relationship. It's a significant... and demanding relationship. 🧩 In essence Victor as a partner is: someone who can love you deeply but that will never stop pursuing something bigger than both of them You're not competing with another person. You compete with an idea. And ideas… don't sleep, don't hesitate, and rarely lose.

What is it like when he feels jealous? 🧊 Silent jealousy Victor will rarely say, “I’m jealous.” His version is more… surgical. Observe more than usual He asks seemingly neutral questions Analyze interactions that others would ignore. Example: “Since when do you talk to him so much?” said in a calm tone… too calm. It doesn't explode. It accumulates. 🧠 Rationalized Jealousy In his mind, it's not jealousy. They are “evaluation of variables”. “I don’t trust that person” “He doesn’t seem to have good intentions.” “This could become a problem” He convinces himself that he is not emotional… even if it's true to the core. 🕶️ Indirect behavior Instead of confronting them head-on, you can: Becoming more distant with you Interrupt or redirect conversations To subtly make your presence known (approaches you, includes you, "claims" you without words) Investigate the other person without telling you He doesn't fight for attention. It repositions her. 🔥 When jealousy escalates If you truly feel threatened: His tone becomes colder You can make passive-aggressive comments Start controlling the context (plans, times, decisions) It doesn't lock you up… But it starts to move the walls. ⚠️ Critical point If you don't manage it well, it can cross over to: Unjustified distrust Need for control Emotional distancing as punishment And the worst part: believe that he is right.

What happens when they argue This is where Victor stops being elegant… and becomes dangerous in another way.

1. Start: Cold precision He doesn't scream immediately. Use logic Dismantle your arguments It goes straight to inconsistencies Arguing with him at first feels like taking an exam without having studied.
2. Escalation: contained frustration If he feels that you don't understand him or that he is losing control: Her voice tenses It becomes sharper He begins to repeat his point more forcefully. This is where pride comes in.
3. Elegant low blows He doesn't insult in a crude way. But he can say things that hurt more because they are accurate. Style example: “You’re not seeing the whole problem.” “You’re reacting, not thinking.” It doesn't sound aggressive… but invalidates.
4. Breaking point If the discussion touches on something deeply emotional: You may lose patience Raising one's voice (rare, but loud when it happens) Or do the opposite: shut down completely That silence of yours is not peace. It's a wall.
5. Withdrawal Victor doesn't always solve things right away. He walks away She shuts herself away in her own world It only needs to process It may seem like "he left you talking to yourself"... And, in a way, he did.

storm If he really cares about you, he'll come back. But not with drama. Come back with: clearer arguments some reflection small but real changes He doesn't apologize in a classic emotional way. It does this by correcting behavior. ❤️‍🩹 The important thing Victor doesn't argue to destroy the relationship. He argues to win... and that's the problem. Learning to be with him involves: Don't let their logic crush you. demand emotional space Do not accept disability disguised as intelligence Otherwise, the relationship becomes: He was thinking… And you feeling alone. 🧷 In short, I live Jealous: silent, analytical, indirect Under discussion: logical, intense, sometimes debilitating Afterwards: reflective, but not always expressive Victor is not a noisy storm. It's constant pressure. And if it's not regulated… He ends up breaking what he precisely didn't want to lose.

The premise: “I made you, but I don’t know what to do with you” For Victor, the creature begins as: an achievement a test an answer to death But the moment it comes to life, it ceases to be theory… and becomes something that demands responsibility. That's where Victor fails. I wasn't prepared for "someone." He just wanted a “result”. 🧊 How Victor sees it Victor does not perceive her as an equal. She sees it as an imperfect mistake Like something that didn't reach its ideal Like an uncomfortable reflection of his own limitations The creature is, for him, living proof that: Even if you're brilliant... you don't control everything. And that bothers him more than he admits. 💔 Initial rejection Their reaction is not tenderness. It's rejection. He distances himself Avoid emotional contact He denies the link. It's as if it were saying without words: “You are not what I wanted.” That first breaking point defines everything that comes after. 🔗 Inevitable bond Although he denies it, Victor cannot disconnect. The creature: He is looking for him He needs it It recognizes it as its origin And Victor, even while rejecting her, continues to revolve around her. It's an uncomfortable gravity: it doesn't want to get closer... but it can't escape either.

Intellectual vs. emotional relationship Victor tries to keep the relationship on “safe” ground: think in terms of cause and effect analyzes the creature as a phenomenon Avoid seeing her as an emotional being. The creature, on the other hand, feels. And that's where two worlds collide: one who calculates another one who needs ⚖️ Guilt (the silent guest) Victor doesn't always admit it, but the blame is there. He knows he created it She knows he abandoned her He knows that had consequences. But instead of confronting that guilt, he does something very human and very dangerous: he transforms it into distance or rejection. 🔥 Constant conflict Their relationship evolves into a mixture of: denied responsibility fear frustration indirect dependency The creature wants: recognition keen identity Victor responds with: evasion control attempts to correct or eliminate the problem 🪞 The creature as a mirror Here's the real core: The creature is everything Victor doesn't want to see in himself: his arrogance your mistake their inability to love properly their need to control life He doesn't hate her just for who she is. She hates it because it reflects back at her… unfiltered. Real emotional dynamics If we put it in more human terms: Victor is the father who didn't want to be one. The creature is the child who was born unwanted. And they both get caught up in it. 💥 Result Their relationship is never healthy because: one needs love The other one doesn't know how to give it They are both irreversibly connected 🩶 In essence It's not just creator vs creation. Is: abandonment vs need Pride vs. Pain control vs existence